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: Making free Munsell color chip sheet Munsell color reference chips are really useful for painters but awfully expensive. It should be easy to create a sheet that can reliably be printed on

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Munsell color reference chips are really useful for painters but awfully expensive. It should be easy to create a sheet that can reliably be printed on most printers though, shouldn't it? I.e a PDF with vector images (to avoid rasterization artifacts) of colored squares (with Munsell labels) that comes from a regular sampling of some volume of CIE Lab (we don't really need the really saturated chips, matching near neutral colors is more useful).

One problem is that most color profile workflows deal with matching the monitor to the printer, while what we want to do here is send the right CIELAB values so that two sheets from the same printer match (assuming their CIELAB->CMYK profiles are correct). Vector formats like SVG do not yet reliably implement specifying colors in colorspaces like CIELAB.

I suppose one can just start by sampling CIELAB and then converting to a standard RGB colorspace then printing. I am not sure if this could be problematic with two hops.

Is there a more clever way to create such a color reference? One would think it would have been done long ago if it was this easy. Is there something about reproducibility between printers I am not taking into account?

EDIT: Paul Centore has some wonderful tools and write ups on his site:
www.munsellcolourscienceforpainters.com/
He get right to the main question in this very accessible and detailed writeup (with full code posted on his site): www.munsellcolourscienceforpainters.com/HowToPrintAMunsellBook.pdf
Why doesn't this quite answer the question? His writeup assumes that the printer is a blackbox and he calibrates output with the X-rite "ColrMunki" spectrometer. If we can trust the printer ICC profiles that map CIELAB->CMYK then we should need to do this if we (implicitly) send CIELAB values to the printer. I would have assumed (for high quality printers) the ICC profile is reliable, is that the case?

UPDATE: A personal communication with Paul suggests that indeed, color profiles typically do not predict color coordinate values within 1DE (a measure of colorimetric distance). Colors that are farther apart than 1DE are generally distinguishable by the human eye. Some profiles and commercial printing processes are often 4-5DE away and can be considerably worse in the worst case. Paul's approach, using a spectrophotometer, was demonstrated to often predict under 1DE (using an Epson R2880).

It appears that despite considerable rigor in printcraft, we do seem to
be limited inherent variability in commercial printing processes.
While color profiles should enable us to reliably print Munsell color
charts in principle, the underlying physical variance in the process
seems to swamp out the predicted gains in accuracy that might be
obtained with better sampling and interpolation from profiles.

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@Margaret771

Seems to be plenty of demand of low cost Munsell charts. This subject is heavily discussed a long time. There exists software for conversion between Munsell indexes and usual color models, low cost charts in sale and free chart PDFs. No idea,


are they properly color managed or only for teaching the system
which easily available printers are up to the task; even if highly saturated color chips are not used


See some of the PDFs; link= irtel.uni-mannheim.de/colsys

Maybe you can print one and compare the result if a real thing is available even for a short time.

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