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: Copyright ownership: paid by hour vs. paid by project I am a freelance web designer. I am working out a contract with a client to revamp an existing site and freshen the design. In my contract

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I am a freelance web designer. I am working out a contract with a client to revamp an existing site and freshen the design.

In my contract I have some language which I adapted from the AIGA boilerplate about copyright. The gist is this:


I am developing a design for Client. I will create three comp
designs. Client chooses one and we revise it until Client is
happy with it. Three rounds of revisions are included; anything after
that is paid by the hour on top of the original estimate.
I own the copyright to all the designs. When Client submits the
final payment for the entire website, Client owns the copyright
to the finished site and its design.
If Client cancels the project before it's finished, I retain the
copyright to the unfinished, revised chosen design, unless we specifically agree that I will sell it to him.
I estimate the site will cost $X. I submit invoices at various
milestones in the project. I keep track of my work hourly, and Client
pays for the work I've done (that is, if I estimate the job will cost
$X because it will take me Y hours, and it takes me Y + 3, I will
charge for three more hours of my time; if it takes Y - three, I will
charge for three hours less).


The client came back with revisions about copyright, saying he thinks that he owns the copyright to all the comps "because it's my site."

I asked a non-designer friend who's a reasonably high corporate muckety-muck, and he thinks that the copyright hinges on how I'm being paid:

If I'm setting up the contract as hourly, then it is "work-for-hire" (even though I don't have that anywhere in the contract) and Client owns all the copyright to all three comps. If I'm setting up the contract as "work for project" (Client pays $X for finished website, however many hours it takes), then I would own the comp copyrights.

This doesn't make sense to me. Why would Client get the rights to two (or more) designs which he isn't using? If we agreed that he was going to pay for all three designs, that's fine, but two of them he didn't like. Why should he get to keep them and use them with some other designer?

Does basing my fee on hours worked somehow make this job "work for hire"? Does "hourly work for hire" somehow change copyright?

(ETA Client and I are both in the U.S.)

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@RJPawlick971

As others have stated, what matters is what is in the agreed upon contract.

If your client doesn't like that part, you are both free to negotiate.

Not exactly the same, but I often have a clause in my contract that 'no source files are included in the final delivery. These may be obtained for a separate fee.'

I often thrown them in anyways if they ask for them, but still like to have that clause in there.

In your situation, I'd suggest that all comps may be obtained by the client for a fee based on x% of the hours put into creating them.

If it takes 10 hours to create them all, you charge 0 an hour, and you set the extra fee at 30%, the client can have them for 0.

as an aside:


I will create three comp designs. Client chooses one and we revise it until Client is happy with it.


While extremely common, I've never been a fan, nor understood the the '3 options' thing.

I provide as many valid options as needed to achieve the objective. Sometimes its 4, sometimes 2, sometimes 1. I never put in an exact number to avoid the "here's the solution, and 2 random things I pulled out of my ass to meet the arbitrary 3" situation.

When I've seen it used, I more often than not see the solution end up being this awful mashup of pieces of all 3. This is usually due to the client randomly liking things and no proper guidance from the account executive in charge of things.

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@Nimeshi706

I don't really understand. If the contract states you retain copyright to all preliminary designs, sketches, and mock-ups It doesn't matter how you invoice. The contract states what the client does and does not (or will and will not) own.

It's traditional for freelance designers to retain all rights to preliminary work unless it's otherwise stated in the contract. Pay me in seashells every 20 minutes... the contract still states what is being transferred.

In the strictest sense of the term, all freelance is work-for-hire. Primarily because the work would not be instigated without the client. Where the difference really lies is WHERE the work is completed - On your equipment with your personal tools or at their place of business with their tools. If you use their tools, they do traditionally own everything.

Edited to add a couple supporting links:

FindLaw.com Not specific to this situation, but a great article about general guidelines.

AIGA-SF This is avery good Q&A about this issue

About.com eh.. it's About.com.. take it with a grain of salt but it does support the traditional view of ownership.

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@Angie364

Usually, design works for finished project, a finished projects includes mock-up projects.

If the client is asking for 3 mockup + 1 final, then he should pay for all four (different prices of course). (a)

An indie/freelance designer does not have the power for protect their copyright material, neither a designer needs to protect a custom design model. So i don't think that you should worry about copyright at this point. (b)

And since the clients pays for the four design then he could(should) retain all 4 copyrights.

So, you must fare for:


Mockup 1 took x hours.
Mockup 2 took y hours.
Mockup 3 took z hours.
Final product took v hours.


total price x+y+z+v

However


If Client cancels the project before it's finished, I retain the copyright to the unfinished, revised chosen design, unless we specifically agree that I will sell it to him.


This sound pretty dangerous.

Usually

1) designer create 3 mockup (or even more in some cases), they should be fast and generic, it should take not more than a couple of days x design.

2) The customer could says NAY or YAY for one (or more than one), in some cases, the customer can says NAY for all. If the customer disagrees then you lose all your work.

3) If the customer agree with at least one, then you start working on it, at this point, everything MUST BE DOCUMENTED (what's the customer asked).

4) Pre-release, you show the pre-release version, the customer can ask some SMALL CHANGES, all should be consistent with the documents (some customers could ask for a "do it all from scratch!")

5) final.

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